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This is the big Iraq news of the day, high up at sites that rank stories by reader interest, although not higher than the Ashlee Simpson lip-syncing scandal -- "Lip-sunk" as the AM-NY daily put it.

Anyway, Bush's policies are less of a problem than his incompetence...

This is from the NY Times:
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Oct. 24 - The Iraqi interim government has warned the United States and international nuclear inspectors that nearly 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives - used to demolish buildings, make missile warheads and detonate nuclear weapons - are missing from one of Iraq's most sensitive former military installations.

The huge facility, called Al Qaqaa, was supposed to be under American military control but is now a no man's land, still picked over by looters as recently as Sunday. United Nations weapons inspectors had monitored the explosives for many years, but White House and Pentagon officials acknowledge that the explosives vanished sometime after the American-led invasion last year.

[snip]

The bomb that brought down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988 used less than a pound of the same type of material, and larger amounts were apparently used in the bombing of a housing complex in November 2003 in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and the blasts in a Moscow apartment complex in September 1999 that killed nearly 300 people.

The explosives could also be used to trigger a nuclear weapon, which was why international nuclear inspectors had kept a watch on the material, and even sealed and locked some of it. The other components of an atom bomb - the design and the radioactive fuel - are more difficult to obtain.

[snip]

The International Atomic Energy Agency publicly warned about the danger of these explosives before the war, and after the invasion it specifically told United States officials about the need to keep the explosives secured, European diplomats said in interviews last week. Administration officials say they cannot explain why the explosives were not safeguarded, beyond the fact that the occupation force was overwhelmed by the amount of munitions they found throughout the country.

[snip]

[The] Bush administration would not allow the agency back into the country to verify the status of the stockpile. In May 2004, Iraqi officials say in interviews, they warned L. Paul Bremer III, the American head of the occupation authority, that Al Qaqaa had probably been looted. It is unclear if that warning was passed anywhere. Efforts to reach Mr. Bremer by telephone were unsuccessful.

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on Oct 27, 2004
So you agree that Kerry running around blathering about this is a shoot from the hip response?


I agree that it is campaign rhetoric... but it needs to be investigated fully and needs to be done right now, and it needs to be taken seriously by Bush and I think he should be on the next flight.. well its a figure of spch but should go to Iraq now to show that he understands it is not going well, and should go talk to people there.
on Oct 27, 2004
Were any of you aware that this story was not intended to be released until Monday? It was released early after they thought they had a leak....It was intended to be a late breaking news item imediately before the election.
The information and eyewitnesses are presenting two differing stories. Before we jump on the "bash everyone else" bandwagon, maybe we should sort through the information. Also please note, the individuals responsible for clearing the area were UN officials. The US forces came through after the "all clear" inspections were made. Does that mean they failed to investigate a potential site for WMDs? Possibly. Does that mean the UN screwed up as well? Possibly. We will just have to get more infomation before we assume that a US soldier failed to do their duty.....
on Oct 27, 2004
There's absolutely no doubt it was intended as the too-late-to-be-verified-as-bogus-before-the-election 48-hour surprise that the NYT & CBS hoped would chop Bush off at the knees. They are such scumbags. I can't tell you how furious this has made me. If this doesn't confirm about CBS what the Killian memo fiasco made so plain and about the NYT what everyone's been saying forever, I'm Santa Claus. I can just see the furious little bastards in the NYT newsroom scrambling to find some other fabrication they can dump on us on Sunday or Monday. They're now worse than the Enquirer. Even the Guardian is making them look good.

If they succeed, somehow, which I now seriously doubt, since Kerry has latched on to this fast-sinking boulder so tightly it can't help but take him with it, there will be hell to pay.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Oct 28, 2004
Hi Daiwa,

Thank you for your comment. As I've mentioned elsewhere, the timing was determined by the Interim Iraqi government and the International Atomic Energy Agency, which went public about this earlier this month. Are you saying there part of the conspiracy?

Anyway, it now appears that there may be television footage showing that explosives were at the site after the American invasion.
on Oct 28, 2004
If they weren't there... yes. Or how about 400 4 wheeled trucks? What if people inside the military are stealing it? I know its not good to accuse the soldiers.. but maybe there are some traitors? You never can be sure unless you investigate.


John Kerry is there?
on Oct 28, 2004
blogic

Yes, there was explosives shown on footage (it is an Ammo bump by the way), but none of it was the items we are talking about. Also the soldiers on the ground and all the reporters that were there did not see any of the UN seals for the real nasty stuff used to set off nuclear bombs. Not once have I heard one say they had seen the seals, in fact they all specifically have said they did not see any seals. This is a fact that many people seem to ignore or want to ignore, like CBS. Just another sign of shoddy reporting.

Please use your intelligence on this one. If you were Sadam and wanted to make nuclear bombs and know that every time the US starts to bomb they like to take out what you need to make nuclear bombs, would you not move it?

That’s My Two Cents
on Oct 28, 2004

Reply #19 By: blogic - 10/28/2004 12:05:51 PM
Hi Daiwa,

Thank you for your comment. As I've mentioned elsewhere, the timing was determined by the Interim Iraqi government and the International Atomic Energy Agency, which went public about this earlier this month. Are you saying there part of the conspiracy?

Anyway, it now appears that there may be television footage showing that explosives were at the site after the American invasion.



"We weren't quite sure what were looking at,
on Oct 28, 2004
There's absolutely no doubt it was intended as the too-late-to-be-verified-as-bogus-before-the-election 48-hour surprise that the NYT & CBS hoped would chop Bush off at the knees. They are such scumbags
I couldn't agree more!
on Oct 28, 2004
Spetnaz!!

PLINKO!!
on Oct 28, 2004
Thank you all for your comments.

As I've noted elsewhere, ABC News 'imbedded' video appears to show the presence of the explosive HMX, and IAEA inspection seals, at Al-Qaqaa.
on Oct 28, 2004

Spetnaz!!

Your probably not far off the mark, since the materials were of Russian manufacture. It's a good bet they transported it to Syria (since Russia has strong ties there) with a final destination back to Mother Russia.

400 tons

Do you know the logistical support that is required to move 400 tons of anything? let alone high explosives.

And you expect me to believe that the Army and Marines are so retarded that they just let 400 tons drive by.

Where do you think all the munitions found during the war in schools, carnivals and places like that came from? A private collection? It all came from Iraqi Ammo Dumps.

Hell they buried MIG's out in the desert. Why?

Anything of military value that Iraq couldn't afford to lose, they dispersed and hid throughout the country.
Or they burned materials that they didn't want anyone to know that they had. You don't still believe that Iraq lit all those oil fires around Baghdad to defeat GPS bombs.

If HMX was there it would be in Tennessee right now, because it has nuclear value.

Nothing disappears without a trace

on Oct 28, 2004
And you expect me to believe that the Army and Marines are so retarded that they just let 400 tons drive by.


Well if it happened three weeks before the invasion how did you expect them to stop the trucks?

SPETNAZ!!

PLINKO!!
on Oct 28, 2004
Well if it happened three weeks before the invasion how did you expect them to stop the trucks?


I was commenting on the original article. Guess I should have made that more clear.

Although Spetnaz is on the right track.

I just can't understand how people believe that 400 tons of material vanished out of a facility that we've been occupying and using since the first tank drove up to it during the invasion.

Or how they believe the military is incompetent by letting this happen, when they've been watching on TV news reports of the army gathering up munitions and destroying them for over a year. But yet, the most sensitive materials the military let looters have.

I don't buy it.

The stuff was gone before we even rolled out of Kuwait.
on Oct 29, 2004

Reply #28 By: Evorg - 10/28/2004 11:18:06 PM
Well if it happened three weeks before the invasion how did you expect them to stop the trucks?


I was commenting on the original article. Guess I should have made that more clear.

Although Spetnaz is on the right track.

I just can't understand how people believe that 400 tons of material vanished out of a facility that we've been occupying and using since the first tank drove up to it during the invasion.


It would take approx 40 10 wheelers to move all this material.
on Oct 29, 2004
It would take approx 40 10 wheelers to move all this material.


38, there was only 380 tons not 400 tons, unless I am missing something.

Though 380 or 400 tons out of how many tons the US has gotten a hold of so far is unacceptable for some people even if the small amount of material was moved before the US invasion.

PLINKO!!
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