Saddam is not immortal, he would have died sooner or later.

*laugh*

We've been saying the same thing about Castro for decades. I'm beginning to think Ponce De Leon should have been looking for that fountain of youth in Cuba, not Florida.

There is an excellent book called "Had Enough?" by James Carville (who came up with "it's the economy stupid" which takes a serious (and sometimes humurous) look at what a true "flip-flopper" Bush is, but more importantly, Carville offers some really dynamic and realistic ideas on how to fix the mess that Bush has gotten us into, not just Iraq, but the economy, health care, education, and a few other issues as well. It is written so that anyone with a third grade education can understand it.....so we need not worry about anyone in the Bush white house actually reading it and stealing any of the great ideas he puts forth

There's another excellent book out called Unfit for command. You "really" should read it too. If for nothing else but to hear "both" sides of the story!

We've been saying the same thing about Castro for decades.

True, but while he's alive, the situation is more or less stable and even so, Cuba is hardly a threat these days. Neither really was Iraq, while Saddam was in power. A threat to its own citizens, that goes without saying, but I hardly believe he was a threat to the whole wide world. Alas, if Iraq was invaded because the dictator was oppressing his citizens, why haven't the coalition forces gone in a decade or two ago?

Reply #18 By: Mack/N.G.E. - 9/21/2004 8:34:26 AM We've been saying the same thing about Castro for decades. True, but while he's alive, the situation is more or less stable and even so, Cuba is hardly a threat these days. Neither really was Iraq, while Saddam was in power. A threat to its own citizens, that goes without saying, but I hardly believe he was a threat to the whole wide world. Alas, if Iraq was invaded because the dictator was oppressing his citizens, why haven't the coalition forces gone in a decade or two ago?

Because up until lately (past 10 years) he didn't have the infrastructure to support WMD's. Before he lost power, the infrastructure was in place to do just that.

They went in too early

Actually, I'd say they went in too late. Finish the job in 1991, invade when the kurds or southern Shias were gassed or even invade in 1998 when the weapon inspectors were evicted would have been right moments, with clear and obvious reasons for invasion. Problem now is that people really do not know why the US invaded anymore. I can understand anyone saying they would not have invaded without a clear cause.

Paul.

John Kerry addressing congress before Iraq 2:
"We must recognize that there is no indication that Saddam Hussein has any intention of relenting. So we have an obligation of enormous consequence, an obligation to guarantee that Saddam Hussein cannot ignore the United Nations. He cannot be permitted to go unobserved and unimpeded toward his horrific objective of amassing a stockpile of weapons of mass destruction. This is not a matter about which there should be any debate whatsoever in the Security Council, or, certainly, in this Nation. If he remains obdurate, I believe that the United Nations must take, and should authorize immediately, whatever steps are necessary to force him to relent — and that the United States should support and participate in those steps.
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Should the resolve of our allies wane to pursue this matter until an acceptable inspection process has been reinstituted — which I hope will not occur and which I am pleased to say at this moment does not seem to have even begun — the United States must not lose its resolve to take action
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To date, there have been nine material breaches by Iraq of U.N. requirements.
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While our actions should be thoughtfully and carefully determined and structured, while we should always seek to use peaceful and diplomatic means to resolve serious problems before resorting to force, and while we should always seek to take significant international actions on a multilateral rather than a unilateral basis whenever that is possible, if in the final analysis we face what we truly believe to be a grave threat to the well-being of our Nation or the entire world and it cannot be removed peacefully, we must have the courage to do what we believe is right and wise.

I believe this is such a situation, Mr. President. "
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Later, in 2002 (still before Iraq2):
"...With respect to Saddam Hussein and the threat he presents, we must ask ourselves a simple question: Why? Why is Saddam Hussein pursuing weapons that most nations have agreed to limit or give up? Why is Saddam Hussein guilty of breaking his own cease-fire agreement with the international community? Why is Saddam Hussein attempting to develop nuclear weapons when most nations don't even try, and responsible nations that have them attempt to limit their potential for disaster? Why did Saddam Hussein threaten and provoke? Why does he develop missiles that exceed allowable limits? Why did Saddam Hussein lie and deceive the inspection teams previously? Why did Saddam Hussein not account for all of the weapons of mass destruction which UNSCOM identified? Why is he seeking to develop unmanned airborne vehicles for delivery of biological agents?

Does he do all of these things because he wants to live by international standards of behavior? Because he respects international law? Because he is a nice guy underneath it all and the world should trust him?

It would be naive to the point of grave danger not to believe that, left to his own devices, Saddam Hussein will provoke, misjudge, or stumble into a future, more dangerous confrontation with the civilized world. He has as much as promised it. He has already created a stunning track record of miscalculation...."
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Dec. 15, 2003 he said: "Iraq may not be the war on terror itself, but it is critical to the outcome of the war on terror."

July 29, 2002:
"I agree completely with this administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq – Saddam Hussein is a renegade and outlaw ..."

Kerry now claims the decision to go into Iraq was a "colossal" failure. Yet on Aug. 9, 2004, Kerry said that had he known then what he knew now, he would still have voted for the use-of-force resolution, according to CNN:
"Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it's the right authority for a president to have. But I would have used that authority, as I have said throughout this campaign, effectively."

Kerry now claims Saddam was not a "threat to our security." Here's what he said in January 2003, according to the L.A. Times: "If you don't believe ... Saddam Hussein is a threat with nuclear weapons, then you shouldn't vote for me."

AND MY FAVORITE!!!::: December 2003, according to Newsday:
Kerry says,"Those who doubt whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe we are not safer with his capture, don’t have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president."

No Saddam wasn't good. But neither is King Fahd or Kim Jong IL. Don't give me that crap. Hell, if taking out evil dictators was such a big deal for Bush, he should have just invaded Cuba. It's a lot closer.

Oh please....talk about a load of crap! So if he can't get them all, Bush should just put on blinders?!
How about murderers in our own country - if the police can't get them all (every single one of them) should we then leave the rest alone?[

I think that when the Bush camp calls Kerry a "flip-flopper," they are truly calling him "one who is not afraid to admit he is wrong." So what if Kerry changed his mind about Iraq. I prefer a leader that does not invade a country simply because he doesn't want to change his mind. It is infinately better to have a leader who admits when he is wrong and works to rights things, especially if national security is at stake

I could buy into this if Kerry had not taken every position possible on this issue and come full circle more than once. I have listened to all of his positions on Iraq dating back to 1998. He was FOR removing Saddam until he saw how much mileage Howard Dean was getting with his anti-war position so he went anti-war. Then last month he said he would still vote to authorize force to remove Saddam. Now (AGAIN) he says he would not have removed Saddam (David Letterman show) I sometimes wonder if Kerry realizes that cameras are rolling and mics are on when he speaks?

I sometimes wonder if Kerry realizes that cameras are rolling and mics are on when he speaks?

He knows it. He is trusting in the ignorance of the masses. He trusts that sound bytes matter and track records don't. He trusts in an emotionally charged voter motivated and blinded by irrational hatred of Bush. Any time someone hears him say one thing they like - that provides enough reason to focus their Bush-Hate and vote Kerry. No matter that he contradicts himself the day before and the day after.

"A blinded and dependent public" isn't that the stated platform of the Democratic party?

he would not have overthrown Saddam Hussein had he known what he knows now

So, Kerry would make a decision on something if he could travel into the future and see the outcome of it?

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ah yes this from the same man that conspired with the enemy in time of war... hanoijohn just cannot stand to see democracy spread...