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Bush supporters have tried to argue that the Bush administration bears no responsiblity for this year's critical shortage of flu vaccine.

This is from Medical News Today:
Last August UK officials, with the same information the US officials had, decided something had to be done in case the Chiron supplies, 14% of UK supplies, went belly up. The US officials decided to believe Chiron and gamble 48% of their supplies on an assurance that everything would turn out fine despite some worrying set backs.

When October 5th arrived, the British authorities pulled the plug on the Chiron, Liverpool, supplies. US authorities were caught out - nothing had been done in advance, the country had allowed itself to get into this situation.

[snip]

Even without this crisis, the UK authorities have always had a situation where they can fall back on six or seven suppliers that have been pre-approved by UK authorities. The US, on the other hand, only has two - one of which has let them down. Had the US had more pre-approved suppliers, had the US started to do something about this problem last August when alarm bells were ringing, had the US…….? This is what many Americans are now starting to ask.

The American Health Dept saw no reason last August to do anything, says their spokesman Tony Jewell. Americans hear him and ask, so why did the British have a reason, you both worked on the same information, didn't you?

America's only other supplier, Aventis, may have upped supplies if they had been asked in advance - say last August - said an Aventis spokesman. But no one from the US approached them on this matter, not till after Oct 5.
That really sums things up. Two governments were working with the same information -- that there were potential problems with the flu vaccine supply. One government handled it well, while the Bush administration displayed incompetence. As they have done on the Iraq quagmire, you can see the Bush administration refusing to take responsibility for this, blaming everybody but themselves for the choices made by the Bush adminstration. As flu season approaches, we can only hope seniors and children won't die because of this administration's poor judgment.

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on Oct 19, 2004
When some say that we are going to have a major shortage of flu vaccine, what is that based on exactly? I was under the impression that the vaccine is only recommended for the elderly and people with serious health issues related to immune system dificiencies. I've never had a flu shot and barring health issues, my doctor says I wont need one for another 30 or 40 years. A flu bug taps me every 3 to 5 years. I feel sorry for myself for a couple of days and in no time I'm back to my happy, horny self again Seriously though - it's always been that way for a vast majority of people and these doomsday, black plague scare tactics smack of petty desperation to me.
on Oct 19, 2004
This is pathetic, blogic.

Here's the opening of the linked piece, in case your readers didn't bother to check:

Why did the British never allow themselves to become dependent on just two flu major flu vaccine suppliers like the Americans did? According to health experts, they did this in case the current Chiron flu vaccine crisis happened - to make sure the nation's people were not left in a vulnerable position.
Emphasis added by me.

The article was about limiting the sources of supply, something that happened YEARS ago, NOT in August, and had nothing to do with responding to the 2-month notice of a possible shortage so get off this bit of demagoguery and admit that the whole premise of your article is completely & totally FALSE. Under the best of circumstances only 5% of the lost doses can be replaced by Aventis (that's 2.5% of the total planned supply). The linked piece had NOTHING to do with how the British were smarter than BUSH, it had EVERYTHING to do with how they were smarter than CLINTON. You have forfieted ALL credibility.B]

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Oct 20, 2004
Dammit, I've been trying to find a way to blame Reagan for this all night.

on Oct 20, 2004
Dammit, I've been trying to find a way to blame Reagan for this all night.


Oh this is too easy Myrrander. Reagan stopped the cold war, so that only left the Flu as a major threat!
on Oct 20, 2004

Hate to burst your bubble, GX, but that was just a coincidence, had nothing to do with the flu shot.

That's not entirely true.  A vaccine causes you to build up antibodies.  While you are doing that, it puts a strain on your immune system (or, wages a war on you body if you have an auto-immune disease).  During that time you are more prone to catching a virus because your body is busy building anti-bodies to fight off whatever the vaccine was.  So, during that time, if a different flu strain comes through, you're most likely going to get it and have a harder time fighting it off because your body is still working on coping with the vaccine.

Does anybody notice the similarity between the way Government took control of the national Vaccine purchases and Kerry's plan to have the Government take control of the national pharmaceutical purchases?

OMG!  Don't try and put reason into this!  You should just *know* that a new more "respectable" government will do everything right with their "PLAN".

on Oct 20, 2004
Earlier this year, Bill Frist introduced the Improved Vaccine Affordabilty and Availability Act based on recommendations by the National Vaccine Advisory Commission. One of the recommendations from the NVAC was strengthening liability protections. It's worth noting that the NVAC is a non-partisan group composed of 15 members from public and private organizations representing vaccine manufacturers, physicians, parents, and state and local health agencies.

Just one of the pending lawsuits in the United States seeks $30 billion in damages, while the total global value of the vaccine market is only $5 billion.


The present vaccine problem in the US is a textbook example of 'good' intentions having a devastating effect on business, which ultimately has a negative effect on consumers, particularly when the businesses being impacted provide necessary medical services or products.
on Oct 20, 2004
If readers follow the links in the original post, you'll see the piece is focused on how the US has handled (or didn't handle) the flu shortage since it became clear, in August, that there might be trouble.

Since some of you want to talk about deeper issues, we can. I'm not sure why some of the conservatives are talking about Clinton. Wasn't he last president nearly four years ago? To me, that seems like an excuse. Bush has had four years -- working with a Congress controlled by the party he leads -- to deal with this, and the conservatives blame Clinton?

Okay, so the conservatives might respond: yes, but Bush didn't know this was a problem... nobody saw this coming. Except that's not true. In fact, the General Accounting Office has been warning the Bush administration about this for over three years.

This is from the Houston Chronicle:
With such a high level of competition and so much presidential encouragement, it was not surprising that Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson, one of the more garrulous members of the Cabinet, entered the contest this week by claiming that the shortage of flu vaccine "is not a health crisis."

Tell that to the 36,000 people who die annually in the United States, or the 200,000 who are hospitalized, from causes associated with influenza. Those are yearly averages from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention as reported by the Government Accountability Office, the agency formerly known as the General Accounting Office.

Formal name changes aside, it's the same GAO that has warned repeatedly over the last four years about the perilous state of vaccine production and distribution. Academics and health professionals outside the government have been as pointed in their periodic alerts. The government response has been anemic.

In May 2001, four months into the Bush administration, Janet Heinrich, director of GAO's health care division, testified before the Senate Special Committee on Aging. The title of her statement could not have been clearer: "Steps Are Needed to Better Prepare for Possible Future Shortages."

Heinrich's testimony was an eerily exacting guide to what is now afoot.

"Manufacturing difficulties could occur in the future and again illustrate the fragility of current methods to produce a new vaccine every year," she said. "Compounding the problem is that when the supply is short, there is no system to ensure that high-risk people have priority for receiving flu shots."
I feature this quote in my more recent post: Bush Ignored 3 Years of Warning -- Flu Vaccine Shortage II.
on Oct 20, 2004
It is the responsibility of the government to prevent major health crisis. There has been a continuing crisis with shortages of vaccine producers--not just the flu but other vaccines as well. This is not because of lawsuits (which the NON-PARTISAN GAO says only contributes to about 1% of the cost of health care) but the fact that vaccine production is not profitable for pharmaceutical companies. This is a well documented fact. As for Frist on healthcare policy, give me a break. His family owned company, Columbia HCA was found to have perpetrated the largest Medicare fraud in this nation's history. And this flu issue is not a minor thing--there is not enough flu vaccine for high risk individuals. Flu can leads to pneumonia for children, the elderly and people with compromised immune systems. Hundreds of thousands are hospitalized because of the flu each year--many more die from the flu than from terrorism each year. OF course, Frist made sure he got his flu shot. If people want to put their heads in the sand and ignore the healthcare crisis, that's fine. We can watch our first world lifestyle slip away from the horrible plunder and mismanagement of this administration.
on Oct 20, 2004
As for Frist on healthcare policy, give me a break.


If I understand correctly, we're to disregard the recommendations of the National Vaccine Advisory Commission because Bill Frist introduced their plan to become policy? Throw out a good plan by a non-partisan respected commision looking into ways to correct the situation because the 'wrong' guy introduced an act based on their recommendations?
And I would have thought that everyone would want to see a solution to the vaccine provider problem implemented.

Apparently complaining about the problem and placing blame takes priority to actually finding a solution.
on Oct 20, 2004
Reagan stopped the cold war, so that only left the Flu as a major threat!


I'm glad I hadn't just taken a drink of my beer when I read this. That's so freaking good, I'm pissed I didn't think of it!

They played a bit of Kerry's speech about this issue today on NPR. As a Kerry supporter, I was PISSED that he gave this speech in Florida to a bunch of old people. Don't accuse Bush and Cheney of using scare tactics if you're going to give this kind of speech, OK JOHN? DO YOU HEAR ME?
on Oct 20, 2004
That's not entirely true. A vaccine causes you to build up antibodies. While you are doing that, it puts a strain on your immune system (or, wages a war on you body if you have an auto-immune disease). During that time you are more prone to catching a virus because your body is busy building anti-bodies to fight off whatever the vaccine was. So, during that time, if a different flu strain comes through, you're most likely going to get it and have a harder time fighting it off because your body is still working on coping with the vaccine.


I'm afraid that characterization is not supported by the science, KG. It's purely about 2 unrelated things occurring in the community during the same time frame. Your immune system is perfectly capable of handling a coincidental viral infection, to the same extent it would have in the absence of prior vaccination.

As for blogic, we now know he needs Myrrander to give him a remedial reading course.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Oct 20, 2004
In May 2001, four months into the Bush administration, Janet Heinrich, director of GAO's health care division, testified before the Senate Special Committee on Aging. The title of her statement could not have been clearer: "Steps Are Needed to Better Prepare for Possible Future Shortages."Heinrich's testimony was an eerily exacting guide to what is now afoot."Manufacturing difficulties could occur in the future and again illustrate the fragility of current methods to produce a new vaccine every year," she said. "Compounding the problem is that when the supply is short, there is no system to ensure that high-risk people have priority for receiving flu shots."


So, blogic, please share with us what the Senate Special Committee on Aging did with that little bit of testimony. No, on second thought, don't bother. It doesn't matter to you. All you care about is pinning responsibility for a problem on Bush not matter the truth of the matter, and nothing you say would have any credibility anyway.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Oct 20, 2004
All you care about is pinning responsibility for a problem on Bush not matter the truth of the matter


and this is why, as a good GREEN FOR KERRY, I have to speak up. attack your oponent, this is key. but make your attacks more than just a phantom. which this "flu" thing is.
on Oct 20, 2004
They played a bit of Kerry's speech about this issue today on NPR. As a Kerry supporter, I was PISSED that he gave this speech in Florida to a bunch of old people. Don't accuse Bush and Cheney of using scare tactics if you're going to give this kind of speech, OK JOHN? DO YOU HEAR ME?
Myrrander, I respect your feeling on this, even if I disagree with you on this issue. From my perspective, it looks like the government was repeatedly warned over the last three years that this thing could happen, and Bush didn't respond. Can Bush fix every problem? Of course not. But that doesn't mean his ignoring of those warning has no significance at all

Regarding how serious the flu scare will be... I have a 93 year old grandfather, so I'm attuned to these health concerns. Please consider spending less time diminishing my concerns and more time trying to understand where I'm coming from.

Finally, of course both campaigns are dramatizing what will happen if the other guy is elected. That said, I think you're being a little hard on Kerry when on the same day Cheney implied that American cities were more likely to get nuked if Kerry won the election.
on Oct 21, 2004

Reply #44 By: blogic - 10/20/2004 11:19:02 PM
That said, I think you're being a little hard on Kerry when on the same day Cheney implied that American cities were more likely to get nuked if Kerry won the election


Cheney did no such thing that I;m aware of. Can you provide a link?
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