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We New Yorkers Don't Like Being Bossed Around by Outsiders
Published on August 27, 2004 By blogic In Politics
This is a snippet from a debate I had with Someone-On-The-Internet (tm) regarding whether New York City should let people protest in Central Park.

SOTI wrote:
] Bloomberg usually sucks, but regarding the convention,
] he has acted with integrity. His primary duty is to take care
] of New Yorkers interests first (including protecting their
] beloved park from overburden), the welcome visitors second,
] and then the rights of a few terrorist sympathizers and
] democrats last. Sounds like a good mayor to me. Remember the
] concept of constituents? Those are the people to look out
] for.

And I responded:

Several of the responses claim this is a battle between the interests of New Yorkers and outsiders. Whatever good arguments can be made for preserving Central Park, "New Yorkers vs Terrorist Sympathizers" is bull.

I live in New York City. My mother grew up in New York City. My grandfather is 93, and has lived here his entire life. We all support the protest. As everyone knows, NYC is 80% Democratic and there are plenty of New Yorkers who are outraged at Bloomberg's decision on the park protests. Most people estimate that at least half the protestors will be residents of the city, so let's drop the whole "New Yorkers need to be protected from outsiders" line. Many of us don't want Bush in our city.

More specifically, I'm appalled that a protest smaller than the officially approved capacity is being denied. Apparently listening to music is a more important right than political free speech, Constitution be damned. That protest (the relatively small Arab-American Rights one) was not requested at the last minute, and the city government took its own sweet time in denying it.

To bring up the whole "Terrorist Sympathizers" issue gets to why so many of us New Yorkers are angry. While we live in the most vulnerable city in America, Bush has squandered our military and our resources on a war that's made us no safer, and has enraged the moderate Middle Eastern countries. Bush might as well have posed for an Al Qaeda recruitment poster. Bush acts like a Manchurian candidate, strengthening the forces of the terrorists while turning us against ourselves.

New York City lost 3000 people to the terrorists, so you might think people would pay attention to New Yorkers' feeling regarding how Bush is leading this war. Most New Yorkers want Bush out, more than in any other big city in America. The people who've most suffered the burden of the terrorists' attacks want Bush out of power, not able to further wound America.

What do you think, JoeUsers?

Comments
on Aug 27, 2004
I think if we want to see these things, we need to rethink what civil disobedience is all about. If New Yorkers feel that strongly about their park, they should show up en masse, regardless, and let the police do what they have to do. Civil disobedience sometimes means you gotta spend time in the pokey.

But it's yours, and other New Yorkers' responsibility to decide what is right.
on Aug 27, 2004
" Many of us don't want Bush in our city."


It never ceases to amaze me how hateful the tone is politically now. I can't imagine people when I was young ranting publically about Carter or Reagan "We don't want him in our town!". I knew many Democrats in Tennessee who showed up to see Reagan when he visited.

I don't have much else to say about this... I think you are wrong, but honestly I am so tired of addressing this kind of angst that I really don't feel like arguing it any more.
on Aug 27, 2004
It never ceases to amaze me how hateful the tone is politically now. I can't imagine people when I was young ranting publically about Carter or Reagan "We don't want him in our town!". I knew many Democrats in Tennessee who showed up to see Reagan when he visited.


Right, Baker. When Bush 1 came to Enid, Oklahoma in 1992, we welcomed him. We welcomed the chance to let him know how some of us small town individuals felt, even though we opposed many of his policies. And Bush 1 was a gracious gentleman at every step of the way.

I was raised to respect the office, and I think such respect is right. If you have ever attended a political debate, it usually begins and ends with candidates shaking hands. They realize that, despite their differences, a certain amount of respect is due to the stature that each has achieved.
on Aug 28, 2004
Great article! I'm afraid I'm not completely up to date on this and didn't realize that a protest had been denied. I'm looking forward to hearing New Yorker's voices.
on Aug 28, 2004
I agree, Blogic, "new york v. terrorist sympathizers" is bull. Can't one protest without getting spat on? The more things change....
on Aug 28, 2004
I hate it when conservatives and even some liberals get upset about expressing rage against something. No one has the right to tell another human being how they should feel about something. If you're pissed about the president showing up because you think he's been responsible for the death of many innocent people, then rally your ass off!!! Like Bill Maher said, we wana see some rioting!
on Aug 28, 2004
"No one has the right to tell another human being how they should feel about something."


Has someone told other people how to feel?

"Like Bill Maher said, we wana see some rioting!"


Not if you want Kerry to win. Mahar has said a lot of idiotic stuff, nothing changes.

No one is telling people they can't protest. There are many ways to protest. In order to protest you don't need to form dangerously large groups and trample on the rights of others. Protest needn't be disruptive or theatening, and if it becomes so, it is no longer a "right". What is happening in New York is easily understandable, unless you are just looking for more propaganda.
on Aug 28, 2004
New York has a valid point that a huge protest of people in central park will be a security threat and a danger to the park's grass and plantings itself.